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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 6:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 8:45 am 
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titleguy wrote:
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Tinsnip wrote:
One fly that always seems to be in one of my boxes and has never produced for me is the Pale Evening Dun. It LOOKS like it should be a killer. Maybe it is, just not for me.


Commonly called Sulfurs we see these flies on the West Branch in June but only for a week or two. Size and color are critical for any success.


Sulphurs on the WB and Cornuta on the K- yellow comparadun or Quigley or klink is deadly.


Sulphur s are such a conglomeration of different Mayflies that it’s difficult——-sometimes——- to see which Sulphur you’re actually imitating.

There are yellow Sulphurs that have an orangish tint to the body. There are Sulphur that have a greenish olive tint to the yellow body. And there are Sulphurs that have a straight yellowish abdomen.

And.......I’ve found trout to be very particular when trying to imitate each. I frequently hear some flufishers say “ Color doesn’t mean ####”. It’s all about presentation. I MO, presentation is key, but sometimes body color does come into play. Perhaps that’s why I carry Sulphurs in three different body colors.......and in sizes 16 to 20.

A good buddy of mine is partially color blind, and every year on the Spring Creeks he’d give me his Sulphur box, and I’d have to re-arrange his flies, as he had orangish ones mixed in with greenish olive ones and yellowish ones mixed in with the other two......
And he absolutely couldn’t tell the difference........but the trout could.

As to the Pale Evening Duns.......fish the Missouri some July evening, and you’ll swear by that fly forever, fwiw.

Dave M

PS.......For the Shawmut Cornutas they start out almost a chartreuse color ( hence the yellow), but almost immediately turn Olive.......so I always imitated them with a #14 BWO Sparkle Dun ( olive body), and cleaned up.

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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 10:50 am 
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Maple Syrup and Doodle Bug - never caught a fish on either.

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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 2:08 pm 
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Another vote for the Hornberg. Absolutely useless to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 2:14 pm 
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I'll pile on the Hornberg, couldn't even get stocked brook trout to take one.
There enough of them in my tying stock boxes to last forever at this rate.


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 7:10 pm 
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Dave M wrote:
titleguy wrote:
dryflie wrote:

Commonly called Sulfurs we see these flies on the West Branch in June but only for a week or two. Size and color are critical for any success.



Sulphur s are such a conglomeration of different Mayflies that it’s difficult——-sometimes——- to see which Sulphur you’re actually imitating.

There are yellow Sulphurs that have an orangish tint to the body. There are Sulphur that have a greenish olive tint to the yellow body. And there are Sulphurs that have a straight yellowish abdomen.

And.......I’ve found trout to be very particular when trying to imitate each. I frequently hear some flufishers say “ Color doesn’t mean ####”. It’s all about presentation. I MO, presentation is key, but sometimes body color does come into play. Perhaps that’s why I carry Sulphurs in three different body colors.......and in sizes 16 to 20.

A good buddy of mine is partially color blind, and every year on the Spring Creeks he’d give me his Sulphur box, and I’d have to re-arrange his flies, as he had orangish ones mixed in with greenish olive ones and yellowish ones mixed in with the other two......
And he absolutely couldn’t tell the difference........but the trout could.

As to the Pale Evening Duns.......fish the Missouri some July evening, and you’ll swear by that fly forever, fwiw.

Dave M

PS.......For the Shawmut Cornutas they start out almost a chartreuse color ( hence the yellow), but almost immediately turn Olive.......so I always imitated them with a #14 BWO Sparkle Dun ( olive body), and cleaned up.



Maybe I've just never understood their relationship to Sulphurs. The flies I've been carrying and not fishing look like the attached and are nearly pure white, cream if you're generous. I don't think it ever occurred to me to fish them when what I saw on the water was what I would call a Sulphur. I have Sulphurs, they're pretty yellow and much smaller (18 to 24). So maybe it's just that I'm not knowing what I don't know.


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 8:17 pm 
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That looks more like a Epheron Lukon to me..... aka the White Fly. Maybe more of a Light Cahill. Not a Sulphur

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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 9:16 pm 
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Tinsnip wrote:


Maybe I've just never understood their relationship to Sulphurs. The flies I've been carrying and not fishing look like the attached and are nearly pure white, cream if you're generous. I don't think it ever occurred to me to fish them when what I saw on the water was what I would call a Sulphur. I have Sulphurs, they're pretty yellow and much smaller (18 to 24). So maybe it's just that I'm not knowing what I don't know.


Yes, the White fly is different from the Sulfurs. The West Branch has both but at different times. Sulfurs early June and the white Fly in Early July roughly. The White Fly is larger, like a 14. Typically they are around for just a few days.

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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2019, 11:41 pm 
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dryflie wrote:
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Maybe I've just never understood their relationship to Sulphurs. The flies I've been carrying and not fishing look like the attached and are nearly pure white, cream if you're generous. I don't think it ever occurred to me to fish them when what I saw on the water was what I would call a Sulphur. I have Sulphurs, they're pretty yellow and much smaller (18 to 24). So maybe it's just that I'm not knowing what I don't know.


Yes, the White fly is different from the Sulfurs. The West Branch has both but at different times. Sulfurs early June and the white Fly in Early July roughly. The White Fly is larger, like a 14. Typically they are around for just a few days.


AH. Well then. Thanks for clearing that up. I will hope to be at the right place someday to use the PMD successfully. Until then, I’ll keep shuffling them into the crummy, worn out fly boxes instead of leaving them home.


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 24th, 2019, 8:29 am 
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Tinsnip wrote:
dryflie wrote:
Tinsnip wrote:


Maybe I've just never understood their relationship to Sulphurs. The flies I've been carrying and not fishing look like the attached and are nearly pure white, cream if you're generous. I don't think it ever occurred to me to fish them when what I saw on the water was what I would call a Sulphur. I have Sulphurs, they're pretty yellow and much smaller (18 to 24). So maybe it's just that I'm not knowing what I don't know.


Yes, the White fly is different from the Sulfurs. The West Branch has both but at different times. Sulfurs early June and the white Fly in Early July roughly. The White Fly is larger, like a 14. Typically they are around for just a few days.


AH. Well then. Thanks for clearing that up. I will hope to be at the right place someday to use the PMD successfully. Until then, I’ll keep shuffling them into the crummy, worn out fly boxes instead of leaving them home.



There is ( was) a tremendous white fly hatch at Shawmut also. I love the White Fly as the you have today's emergence simultaneous with the spinner of fall of the previous day's bugs. White comparadun or parachute...


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 25th, 2019, 6:02 am 
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The LaFontain flys, deep sparkle and emergent have never done it for me. Even though much of the time I have used them on LaFontain’s original waters the Farmington in Ct. Sulphers and Pale Evening Duns overlap quite often there making trying to figure out what they want and are taking very frustrating. Maybe be a cast of multiple dries is in order.

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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 27th, 2019, 10:30 am 
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Many years ago, one of the first flies I ever tied, I copied from a "Field and Stream" magazine. It was a pretty, yellow and black, bumblebee; it looked so realistic, I thought it would be a fish slayer...unfortunately, for me, I never caught a fish on that fly, but I did learn a valuable fly-fishing lesson...like some dogs, that just don't hunt; there are some flies, (for me), that just don't fish!


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 28th, 2019, 7:12 am 
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Sparkle pupa here too.


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 Post subject: Re: Are there any flies
PostPosted: April 28th, 2019, 10:48 am 
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White Flies at Shawmut? You sure Titleguy?
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