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PostPosted: February 6th, 2020, 7:06 pm 
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Story. When I was an apprentice in my trade and also early in my fly tying I was working in and with a guy from Hardwick, VT. He knew I tied flies and one day at work he said he had too many roosters and wanted to know if I'd like some feathers. Hell yes I thought, a nice cape for my growing collection of fur and feathers. I stopped at his little farm and he headed into the fray to grab my rooster. Returning with the bird in one hand a box in the other that he began poking holes in. I asked what the holes were for. He spied for air for the rooster to breath. Now we were living at the Burlington/ South Burlington line. I thought if I brought a live chicken back people would think I was into something cult like or something. Upon that he promptly put the knife down and a quick snap dispatched the rooster and promptly hung it on his chicken processing rack to send me on the way with a partially dressed bird, bloody feathers and all. The carrying box basically became a casket to haul the bird back to civilization. Within a day or two after the bird became critter bait on my way back to the kingdom for work.

Thirty five years later a guy at work text me a week and a half ago that he had a present for me. I had an idea what it was, but wasn't 100%. Sure enough the end of the day I see him and he hands me a drake Green-wing Teal. There are some that we have watched winter in a gross stream strewn with garbage in amongst an old industrial area of Bridgeport, CT. This duck by the bruising must have either flown into the side of a train or hit one of the myriad of power and signal lines for the RR. Thought of having it mounted until being informed by my brother the paperwork needed to posses a waterfowl out of season. With that I did a full body skin loaded down with Borax to preserve the skin and a freezer to kill off any feather eating critters. A teal ranks much higher in my world now than a common Rhode Island red rooster cape then.

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PostPosted: February 6th, 2020, 7:10 pm 
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Tinsnip wrote:
Dave M wrote:
I just thought of another one. As the price of premium hooks has sky-rocketed, I once tried some off brand hooks. I thought.....they can’t be that bad, can they? Ahhhhh......yup.......they were. Just freaking junk. I bet I threw away at least half, maybe more. At that rate, they were probably more expensive than Tiemco, or Daiichi’s.

Dave M


The second vote against cheap hooks. So... not to get sidetracked but, what are the (currently available) top 3 hook brands?



Well, this might open up the proverbial can of worms, but IMO, the Top 3 hook brands are Tiemco, Daiichi, and Owner.

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PostPosted: February 6th, 2020, 7:38 pm 
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Dave: Noted. Thanks!

1Weight: I’ve spent a little time in and around Bridgeport, CT and feel as though the bird is most definitely in a better place.


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PostPosted: February 6th, 2020, 8:31 pm 
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The hardest part of buying fly tying material as a newbie is you dont know what's good and bad. I spent a lot of money buying junk material, and I had no clue it was junk. But until you learn what makes a Bucktail, marabou, hackle, or whatever good or bad it's all a guessing game. Take stuff out of the package, handle it, feel it, see how stiff or supple it is. It all matters, but you wont know what's good or bad until you work with both.

On hooks, I really like Tiemco, but they are very expensive, so I don't buy them anymore. I used to buy Dia-Riki, but they went out. I have not figured out what I am going to use going forward, but I buy some Mustads and Umpqua U-Seriers here and there and have not had any problems with either.

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PostPosted: February 6th, 2020, 8:41 pm 
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Dave M wrote:
Tinsnip wrote:
Dave M wrote:
I just thought of another one. As the price of premium hooks has sky-rocketed, I once tried some off brand hooks. I thought.....they can’t be that bad, can they? Ahhhhh......yup.......they were. Just freaking junk. I bet I threw away at least half, maybe more. At that rate, they were probably more expensive than Tiemco, or Daiichi’s.

Dave M


The second vote against cheap hooks. So... not to get sidetracked but, what are the (currently available) top 3 hook brands?



Well, this might open up the proverbial can of worms, but IMO, the Top 3 hook brands are Tiemco, Daiichi, and Owner.

Dave M


I rank Gamakatsu above Owner, but love Tiemco and Daiichi.

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PostPosted: February 7th, 2020, 2:26 pm 
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Peter010786 wrote:
The hardest part of buying fly tying material as a newbie is you dont know what's good and bad. I spent a lot of money buying junk material, and I had no clue it was junk. But until you learn what makes a Bucktail, marabou, hackle, or whatever good or bad it's all a guessing game. Take stuff out of the package, handle it, feel it, see how stiff or supple it is. It all matters, but you wont know what's good or bad until you work with both.

On hooks, I really like Tiemco, but they are very expensive, so I don't buy them anymore. I used to buy Dia-Riki, but they went out. I have not figured out what I am going to use going forward, but I buy some Mustads and Umpqua U-Seriers here and there and have not had any problems with either.

Peter


I just spent $25.00 on a bucktail at the Marlborough show. Amazing the difference for hollows. I have a lot of crappy materials...


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PostPosted: February 7th, 2020, 3:07 pm 
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titleguy wrote:
Peter010786 wrote:
The hardest part of buying fly tying material as a newbie is you dont know what's good and bad. I spent a lot of money buying junk material, and I had no clue it was junk. But until you learn what makes a Bucktail, marabou, hackle, or whatever good or bad it's all a guessing game. Take stuff out of the package, handle it, feel it, see how stiff or supple it is. It all matters, but you wont know what's good or bad until you work with both.

On hooks, I really like Tiemco, but they are very expensive, so I don't buy them anymore. I used to buy Dia-Riki, but they went out. I have not figured out what I am going to use going forward, but I buy some Mustads and Umpqua U-Seriers here and there and have not had any problems with either.

Peter


I just spent $25.00 on a bucktail at the Marlborough show. Amazing the difference for hollows. I have a lot of crappy materials...


Do you find the crap on the bucktail helps? :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: February 7th, 2020, 11:31 pm 
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Flyfish15 wrote:
Beware of the Feather Emporium, a lot of horror stories out there of people not getting there order even after they paid for it. I was going to order from there and stayed away.


Thanks for the warning. I have been drooling over a fairly rare and expensive item they have in their online catalog. Price is a little high, but it's something I really want.

I'll look elsewhere.


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PostPosted: February 8th, 2020, 1:26 am 
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Jeff Reardon wrote:
Flyfish15 wrote:
Beware of the Feather Emporium, a lot of horror stories out there of people not getting there order even after they paid for it. I was going to order from there and stayed away.


Thanks for the warning. I have been drooling over a fairly rare and expensive item they have in their online catalog. Price is a little high, but it's something I really want.

I'll look elsewhere.


Bummer. I ordered a partridge skin from them yesterday. Fingers crossed.


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PostPosted: February 8th, 2020, 7:33 am 
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Tinsnip wrote:
Jeff Reardon wrote:
Flyfish15 wrote:
Beware of the Feather Emporium, a lot of horror stories out there of people not getting there order even after they paid for it. I was going to order from there and stayed away.


Thanks for the warning. I have been drooling over a fairly rare and expensive item they have in their online catalog. Price is a little high, but it's something I really want.

I'll look elsewhere.


Bummer. I ordered a partridge skin from them yesterday. Fingers crossed.


I've dealt with him for years and had no problem until last year. I put an order in twice and never got it, but he also never charged me. He does use the "my friends dog damaged the neck so it's reduced" on a lot of his bargain bin deals.


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PostPosted: February 8th, 2020, 4:31 pm 
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Tinsnip wrote:
Jeff Reardon wrote:
Flyfish15 wrote:
Beware of the Feather Emporium, a lot of horror stories out there of people not getting there order even after they paid for it. I was going to order from there and stayed away.


Thanks for the warning. I have been drooling over a fairly rare and expensive item they have in their online catalog. Price is a little high, but it's something I really want.

I'll look elsewhere.


Bummer. I ordered a partridge skin from them yesterday. Fingers crossed.




It's always fingers crossed with Dave Roberts--but the guy has stuff no one else has, and after 10 years or so of buying from him, and sometimes having things go wrong, there have been enough astonishing buys that I keep going back. I've also bought from him in person, and he knows his feathers better than anyone I've met in the business. He's not so good with email. Call him. Be nice--be patient. And the copper-olive Patridge is really killer. LOL--

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PostPosted: February 10th, 2020, 9:32 pm 
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Just a follow-up here. My order was shipped and I have a tracking number that puts it at my local PO tomorrow. So hey, since that was my first order, he's batting 1,000 as far as I'm concerned. :D


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PostPosted: February 11th, 2020, 7:08 pm 
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I think a lot of curmudgeons have a lot to say about Feather Emporium, but I have had good luck. On two different orders the guy called me to ask what I was doing with the capes so he could pick out the right ones for me. I have not personally had anything but a good experience. And, his inventory is outright feather porn.

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