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 Post subject: Just shy.......
PostPosted: November 11th, 2017, 3:53 pm 
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......of ten dozen bead head Pheasant Tails done.

Two dozen each of #20’s; 18’s; 16’s; 14’s; and orange collar 14’s.

I couldn’t see doing 12’s or 10’s......as I use Kaufman Stones for those.

Also......tied up a half dozen Bead Head Hook Up Hellgramites that I saw featured on the web site of Fly Tyler Magazine. They look like they’ll work dynamite......especially on Smallmouth, but I’ve been fooled before. Normally I’d tie up two dozen, but I want to test these first to make absolutely certain they do work before I tie up several dozen. (Size 8 TMC 200r hook).

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 Post subject: Re: Just shy.......
PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 9:07 am 
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Dave--

Ten dozen of anything is crazy to someone who ties like I do, but if I had to pick a fly to have that many, it would be bead head P-tails. Hope you mixed in some flashbacks.

Tom Whiting used to tie a hellgrammite pattern he called the "Licorice Stick". It was basically a shaggy black dubbing with black biot tails and antennae, tied on a 3x long streamer hook, straight shank. Along the side, additional biots were tied in in pairs--maybe 6 or 8 pairs. You'd tie in the biot tails and antennae, then work from the tail to the head with a ball of dubbing, tie in a pair of biots, ball of dubbing over the tie-in point, another pair of biots, etc., until you reached the head.

I hate working with biots, so it was a bugger to tie, but it was deadly effective early in the spring on the St. George--where Tom had observed bait anglers hammering holdover browns on live hellgrammites.


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 Post subject: Re: Just shy.......
PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 11:07 am 
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Yes Jeff.....
All the 16’s and above are flashbacks. I use saltwater pearl flash a bou for the flashback and hit it with a drop of Hard As Hull to really pop the flash.

I have seen that Hellgramite you referenced, but that seems like a bear to tie up.......especially the way I lose them on the bottom. These puppies are butt easy to tie up.......very similar to a Murry’s Hellgrammite. At least by heavily weighting them on the top of the hook shank they’ll turn over and ride hook point up. That should help at least a little bit. Instead of bigots for the gills I tie in the ostrich herl and put in a dubbing loop with fuzzy Caddis dubbing in between the herl. They look good, but plenty of flies look great in the vise......or in the pictures in a magazine or on a web page.......but only the fishes opinion count. That’s why I’m not tying up two or three dozen. I’ll wait until Spring and fish them. If they’re as good as advertised l then I’ll tie up a few dozen.

Dave M

Bigots?? Biots. I really hate autocorrect

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 Post subject: Re: Just shy.......
PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 8:30 pm 
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I don't quite have 10 dozen PTs... but probably 6 or 7 dozen, well, at least I did at the beginning of the season. I bet I'm down to 3 dozen now, so I'll be stocking up over the winter. I put flashbacks on every single one I tie, and beads. The past couple years I've been using Mirage Opal tinsel for flashbacks, it pops really well on its own.
I haven't tied any hellgramites, but I did well this year on really big stones, size 6 bent shank Dia-Riki... can't remember the number right now, basically a size 6 streamer hook with a 30° or so bend about 1/3 back from the eye. That was probably my best producer this year.

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PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 8:37 pm 
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Dave,
Not sure where you're laying your head at night these days. But I do know of a river where today at least the fish were keying on #20 Bead-head Flashback PT's. Picked up a couple browns and lost one.All on that one fly. Not sure why as usually nymphing hook-ups and me are few and far between.

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PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 2:31 am 
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Do you guys use brass or tungsten beads? Do you put lead wraps under the thorax?

I have always done the wire route, out of habit, and as such, my PTs are chubby, and rarely come out of the box... I know this sounds rediculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Just shy.......
PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 7:27 am 
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TGIF wrote:
Do you guys use brass or tungsten beads? Do you put lead wraps under the thorax?

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Tim......

I use mostly brass, but sometimes tungsten if I feel the need to get deeper. I don’t use wire wraps under the thorax.

I haven’t seen any articles lately, but for a while every year there was one of those “If you only fished one fly.....” articles the PT nymph would absolutely be mine.

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PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 8:26 am 
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Almost always brass Tim, occasionally I use tungsten but not often. On my larger PTs I do use .015 lead free, usually the 10s and 12s..... but I rarely fish a PT bigger then 16.

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PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 10:53 am 
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Yesterday’s fish were on brass BH. Today it’s overcast low 40’s with light drizzle along the Sound and low to mid 30’s and drizzle and snow 50 miles to the north where the fishing is. Work is going to be cut short and I’ll be looking for olives on the surface or trying that nymphing thing or stripping feather wings for the rest of the day. Water levels are almost the best of all season and the weather is cooperating. Can’t fish next weekend as my boss has other plans for me.
Coming into my favorite time of year to be out. Black flies and mosquitoes are not a problem.

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