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PostPosted: August 31st, 2017, 8:28 pm 
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I just picked up an 11 foot 7wt switch rod, screaming good deal that I couldn't pass up. Lawn casted it tonight and it's an absolute cannon. I cant wait to chuck some streamers this fall with it. I'm going to need a line for it, what do you guys use? I just threw my 8wt intermediate line on it to feel it out.

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PostPosted: September 1st, 2017, 5:20 am 
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I picked up an 11' 5wt this summer. I got the Rio Scandi short head versi tip system and connect core running line- it is fantastic, expensive, but fantastic.


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PostPosted: September 1st, 2017, 12:51 pm 
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Try the OPST lines. You can call or email for a recommendation on the right size. I purchased the line and running line with the heads to single spey my 8 weight...in believably good and I still suck at it...super good people running that outfit. You can purchase direct or through a shop like headhunters


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PostPosted: September 1st, 2017, 4:13 pm 
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The OPST heads are very cool as well. I went with the rio set up on a friend's recommendation.


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PostPosted: September 1st, 2017, 5:42 pm 
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Peter,

What rod did you buy? I have an 11 ft. TFO Deer Creek 7 wt. It's rigged with a line that was custom made by Steve Godshall (Pacific Northwest spey expert). Though this rod has a moderate action, it too is a cannon.

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PostPosted: September 2nd, 2017, 9:55 pm 
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I will check out those options, Thanks. The reason the rod was such a deal is it it missing the grip for the second hand, it only has the fighting butt, I need to find where I can order a replacement grip with the correct thread pattern, it's a LLB Silver Ghost. So I'm currently only able to use it as a single handed rod, and so far my Airflow 8wt intermediate fit's that rod pretty well. I am, however, most excited to use this as a spey rod in a few particular places. I'm quite fond of Rio lines, but I've seen the prices of Scandi... it is certainly pricey.

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PostPosted: September 5th, 2017, 8:06 am 
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I have an 11' 5 weight Redington Dually. This rod has been discontinued by Redington and is NOT as stiff as most switch rods currently in production.

One of the main reasons I bought it was to dredge streamers deep (20'+) in ponds from a canoe for brook trout when they aren't rising. To do that, I mount my 8 weight sinking line that I normally use in saltwater for stripers. I can't use spey casting techniques with that line, but I can throw it farther that I could a 5 weight full sink line, and the 8 weight line KEEPS the fly deep much longer than a 5 weight line would stay deep. Hello brookies.

The other reason I bought the rod was to be able to get distance without a long backcast on -say- the West Branch. For that, I use a 5 weight Rio Switch Chucker line. Here are the specs:
Line Size -Color -Head Weight -Head Length -Sink Rate -Total Length
#5 -Green / Gray -370 -25ft / 8.2m -Float -100ft / 30.5m
I fish it with a floating tip and it does what I hoped that it would. It's supposed to be the switch line that does everything. I've also tried it for nymphing and was able to nymph out to a little greater distances than conventional gear, but did not think that using it was worth the effort required.

I didn't want to be another one of those guys who own switch and/or spey rods that they haven't used in years. So many lines now cost more than fly rods I fished for many years so I took my time before buying. I was completely unfamiliar with spey/switch lines/tips going in, and was initially quite confused (Scandie, Skagit, MOW - WTF?) as to what to buy. After I had learned the spey line terminology, I went back to Redington and exchanged some e-mails with their pro-staff before deciding on what lines I'd need to do what I wanted to do. They said to go two to three weights above for non-spey/switch lines, and that works well for this rod.


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PostPosted: September 5th, 2017, 6:18 pm 
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I fished it yesterday for the first time, with my WF8F line, it cast quite well and effortlessly threw 70 feet on line all day. I think the two 8 wt lines I have will work just fine with it as a single handed rod, I'll have to look into those lines for two handed applications.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2017, 10:09 am 
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Peter-

You shouldn't need anything more than the fighting but to spey cast with your switch rod. Save your sheckles. Once you learn the basics of spey casting- you'll likely find yourself using some of the various casts with single handed gear.

If you haven't looked at the line grain charts published by Rio and Airflo, I recommend looking them up to see what grain weight is recommended for your rod. A few grains (including leader, fly, etc...) make a big difference with spey casting (unlike single handed casting). See how your 8 wt lines compare weight-wise. You may need to find a scale to weigh off the front end of your line for comparison purposes.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2017, 1:38 pm 
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Hunter,
Thanks, I'll check those charts out. I have had a couple spey casting lessons over the years, and have always done some two handed cast with my regular 9 foot rods. I won a casting lesson with Tod Towel at a Conclave...probably 4 or 5 years ago now, invaluable information if you ask me. There's been plenty of times where my back cast was nil... and those spry casts came up from the depths of my memory to allow me to get enough distance to catch fish.

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PostPosted: September 17th, 2017, 11:08 am 
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I'm also using the Rio Scandi Short Versitip. I'll add my support for that one. It took me a while to make peace with it but its a great set up once you have it figured out. I'm using it on an 11'6" 5wt.

http://cdn-tp2.mozu.com/15440-m1/cms/fi ... 0d637500c6

If that hasn't appeared way up the thread.


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PostPosted: September 21st, 2017, 3:38 am 
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I have an Echo SR 5wt switch rod and love it.


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PostPosted: September 21st, 2017, 5:31 am 
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The closest thing that i have is a 10' 5wt. The extra foot has some real perks for roll casting and mending line. That said, I haven't really felt the need to enter into the next round of psuedo-spay rods, because I prefer to actively fish streamers, rather than just swing.

However, as Peter mentioned, I use a lot of spey casts in my traditional fishing. I'll never forget a video that Mike Holt put on his website about 10 years ago, that allowed me to crack the code on roll casting. As soon as I could visualize the "D" behind my shoulder, I was off to the races. Since so many of our rivers don't afford the space for a back cast, I find myself roll casting a large percentage of the time.

I once met a guy who used a switch rod to nymph, almost like a center pin guy... big long casts, drifts and mends, but i think that is further from my preferred tight line method, and am not sure how effective it could be on the subtle takes that are so important in nymphing. I try to avoid roll casting with dry flies, as i find it soaks them WAY faster. it is especially detrimental to CDC flies .

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PostPosted: September 21st, 2017, 12:22 pm 
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I have fished it a couple times now, once for smallmouth once for stripers. I used it at nice rifflely spot for smallies that two centuries ago would have been ideal Atlantic Salmon water. I will say that rod likes to swing a fly, and it does it well. I also fish streamers very actively, I hardly ever swing a streamer, but I do love to swing smallish wets. I actively fished a clouser and it was not much different then fishing with a 9 footer. It is definitely fun to cast, super easy to bang out close to a 100 feet of line, and with the extra two feet you can really feel the rod load.

This is definitely a situational rod, I have wanted one for some time but wouldn't fork up a few hundred dollars for a rod that really only works at 3 or 4 places I can think of. I don't plan on nymphing or fishing dries with it, but I would if I was using it and the opportunity came up.

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PostPosted: September 26th, 2017, 2:00 pm 
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Any chance of a meetup to play with these things? Have rod and am a little foggy of the ideal setup...


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